Reconsidering Level Bonus: Difficulty Classes

The change I am considering to the Level Bonus (make it equal to level rather than level/2) actually has less impact on skill check DCs than it might have seemed.

Evaluation by Consideration

This change results in a difference of +12 in the Level Bonus at 24th level.  Within a single level there is no difference whatsoever, and within a tier the difference is only a little larger (+4 vs. +1 or +5 vs. +2, rather than +2 vs. +0 or +2 vs. +1).  This may be safely ignored.

The difference between levels farther apart become greater — a Legendary character will have a Level Bonus +20 higher than a Basic character instead of +10 higher.  Given Echelon’s premise that higher-level characters are just generally better at everything, all else being equal than lower-level characters this is fine by me.  When they get this far apart in level they’re no longer in the same world anyway (even if they are on the same planet) and really shouldn’t be competing with each other, directly or indirectly (facing similar challenges).  The increased difference in Level Bonus is acceptable to me.

The eight levels needed to overcome one step in Difficulty Class is hinderingly awkward, especially since it doesn’t quite align with the tiers.  This will be more evident in the tables below.  If I shorten the Difficulty Class steps (+2 per step rather than +4) so they align better with the tiers, the impact of training and ability scores becomes too large.  I don’t mind someone gifted (Dex 9 rather than the average Dex 5) can do things one step more difficult, but two is a bit much (and if they’re trained as well and can get four steps up instead of two it’s worse yet).

Just through consideration I think there is reason to believe this is a good change to make.  Let’s look now at the actual numbers.

Existing Difficulty Classes

In the tables that follow, the character descriptions mean:

CodeDescriptionMeaningExpert
(8th level)
Legendary
(24th level)
DDeficientUntrained and ability score of 1; modifier = level/2 + 1+5+13
NNormalUntrained and ability score of 5, or trained and ability score of 1; modifier = level/2 + 5+9+17
T/GTrained or giftedTrained and ability score of 5, or untrained and ability score of 9; modifier = level/2 + 9+13+21
T+GTrained and giftedTrained and ability score of 9; modifier = level/2 + 13+17+25

This assumes that a normal mature human is fourth level and has an average ability score (Dex 5 for example).  A person that is trained in a particular skill gets a +4 bonus to checks with that skill, while a person who is gifted with the relevant ability score as a score of 9 (Dex 9 in this case); in both cases the person would have +9 to his checks before Level Bonus.  Someone who is ‘optimized’ is both trained and gifted, +13 to checks before Level Bonus.  Someone who is deficient has a score of only 1 (Dex 1 in this case), but may still be trained (+1 or +5 to checks, before Level Bonus).

DifficultyTarget DCNormal 50%Percentage Chance of Success
Expert (8th Level) Legendary (24th Level)
D (+5)N (+9)T/G (+13)T+G (+17)D (+13)N (+17)T/G (+21)T+G (+25)
Routine-4 110        
Routine8 90110       
Routine+12 7090110  110   
Easy-16 507090110 90110  
Easy20Expert30507090 7090110 
Easy+24Master10305070 507090110
Hard-28Legendary-10103050 30507090
Hard32Epic+ -101030 10305070
Hard+36Epic+3  -1010 -10103050
Very Hard-40Epic+5   -10  -101030
Very Hard44Epic+7       -1010
Very Hard+48Epic+9        -10
Impossible-52Epic+11         
Impossible56Epic+13         
Impossible+60Epic+15         

Or, to put the frequencies into more human terms:

Target DCDescriptive Frequency of Success
Expert (8th Level) Legendary (24th Level)
D (+5)N (+9)T/G (+13)T+G (+17)D (+13)N (+17)T/G (+21)T+G (+25)
4         
8always        
12routinelyalways       
16usuallyroutinelyalways  always   
20oftenusuallyroutinelyalways routinelyalways  
24sometimesoftenusuallyroutinely usuallyroutinelyalways 
28rarelysometimesoftenusually oftenusuallyroutinelyalways
32neverrarelysometimesoften sometimesoftenusuallyroutinely
36 neverrarelysometimes rarelysometimesoftenusually
40  neverrarely neverrarelysometimesoften
44   never  neverrarelysometimes
48       neverrarely
52        never
56         
60         

I don’t like how large the overlap is between Basic and Legendary success rates, and I don’t really like the narrowness of the range of possible DCs.

Also, the two tiers needed to keep step with the target DCs is annoying.  Now, I don’t mind needing to be high level to do impossible things (after all, they’re impossible, it shouldn’t be possible for ‘regular’ people to do them at all!), this looks like a bit much.  Let’s extend the tier table a bit.

TierLevelD&D LevelNormal Character Optimized Character
50% DC50% Difficulty50% DC50% Difficulty
Basic1-4018  26 
Expert5-81-420Easy 28Hard-
Heroic9-125-822  30 
Master13-169-1224Easy+ 32Hard
Champion17-2013-1626  34 
Legendary21-2417-2028Hard- 36Hard+
Epic25-2821-2430  38 
Epic+29-3225-2832Hard 40Very Hard-
Epic++33-3629-3234  42 
Epic+337-4033-3636Hard+ 44Very Hard
Epic+441-4437-4038  46 
Epic+545-4841-4440Very Hard- 48Very Hard+
Epic+649-5245-4842  50 
Epic+753-5649-5244Very Hard 52Impossible-
Epic+857-6053+5646  54 
Epic+961-6457-6048Very Hard+ 56Impossible
Epic+1065-6861-6450  58 
Epic+1169-7265-6852Very Hard 60Impossible+
Epic+1273-7669-7254  62 
Epic+1377-8073-7656Very Hard+ 64 
Epic+1481-8477-8058  66 

Now, it’s possible that the defined labels are bogus and should be adjusted as well (which has issues I’ve mentioned above).  However, if the DCs are too close together they collide on the RNG.  I’m not prepared to do that.

Where D&D 3.x suggested that an optimized (and since it was in the Player’s Handbook on publication in 2000, before years of splatbooks and a system revision, this isn’t particularly optimized) 20th-level character could expect to hit DC 43 (23 ranks in a skill and +9 from the related ability score gets you to 50% success, and that is trivial optimization; once you get magic items and/or masterwork tools, assistants, and circumstance bonuses you can tack another +10 on that pretty easily).

Here, the same DC would require (from an optimized character, and optimization is somewhat limited in Echelon) and Epic+3 character (level 38-39 for the needed bonus).  In D&D 3.5 terms, this is a level 34-35 character.

Now, my view of ‘Very Hard’ might be a little skewed (I worked out the DC definitions for the new model before doing this part of the analysis), but even so the level needed seems awfully high compared to D&D 3.x.

Proposed Difficulty Classes

In the tables that follow, the character descriptions mean:

CodeDescriptionMeaningExpert
(8th level)
Legendary
(24th level)
DDeficientUntrained and ability score of 1; modifier = level + 1+9+25
NNormalUntrained and ability score of 5, or trained and ability score of 1; modifier = level + 5+13+29
T/GTrained or giftedTrained and ability score of 5, or untrained and ability score of 9; modifier = level + 9+17+33
T+GTrained and giftedTrained and ability score of 9; modifier = level + 13+21+37

This assumes that a normal mature human is fourth level and has an average ability score (Dex 5 for example).  A person that is trained in a particular skill gets a +4 bonus to checks with that skill, while a person who is gifted with the relevant ability score as a score of 9 (Dex 9 in this case); in both cases the person would have +9 to his checks before Level Bonus.  Someone who is ‘optimized’ is both trained and gifted, +13 to checks before Level Bonus.  Someone who is deficient has a score of only 1 (Dex 1 in this case), but may still be trained (+1 or +5 to checks, before Level Bonus).

DifficultyTarget DCNormal 50%Percentage Chance of Success
Expert (8th Level) Legendary (24th Level)
D (+9)N (+13)T/G (+17)T+G (+21)D (+25)N (+29)T/G (+33)T+G (+37)
Routine-4          
Routine8 110        
Routine+12 90110       
Easy-16 7090110      
Easy20Basic507090110     
Easy+24Expert30507090 110   
Hard-28Heroic10305070 90110  
Hard32Master-10103050 7090110 
Hard+36Champion -101030 507090110
Very Hard-40Legendary  -1010 30507090
Very Hard44Epic   -10 10305070
Very Hard+48Epic+     -10103050
Impossible-52 Epic++      -101030
Impossible56Epic++3       -1010
Impossible+60 Epic+4        -10

Or, to put the frequencies into more human terms:

Target DCDescriptive Frequency of Success
Expert (8th Level) Legendary (24th Level)
D (+9)N (+13)T/G (+17)T+G (+21)D (+25)N (+29)T/G (+33)T+G (+37)
4         
8always        
12routinelyalways       
16usuallyroutinelyalways      
20oftenusuallyroutinelyalways     
24sometimesoftenusuallyroutinely always   
28rarelysometimesoftenusually routinelyalways  
32neverrarelysometimesoften usuallyroutinelyalways 
36 neverrarelysometimes oftenusuallyroutinelyalways
40  neverrarely sometimesoftenusuallyroutinely
44   never rarelysometimesoftenusually
48     neverrarelysometimesoften
52      neverrarelysometimes
56       neverrarely
60        never

Ironically, I had to remove the textual labels (not-number indicator of difficulty) so this table of descriptive frequencies would fit on the page.

The +12 difference between the Deficient and the Trained and Gifted characters is still fairly solidly on the RNG.  Basic and Legendary characters are still close to being the RNG (there are overlaps, but not by much — the Trained and Gifted Basic character and the Normal Legendary character are +12 apart, in the Legendary character’s favor).

Extending the tier table, as shown above (but a bit shorter because we don’t need so many tiers) gives us

TierLevelD&D LevelNormal Character Optimized Character
50% DC50% Difficulty50% DC50% Difficulty
Basic1-4020Easy 28Hard-
Expert5-81-424Easy+ 32Hard
Heroic9-125-828Hard- 36Hard+
Master13-169-1232Hard 40Very Hard-
Champion17-2013-1636Hard+ 44Very Hard
Legendary21-2417-2040Very Hard- 48Very Hard+
Epic25-2821-2444Very Hard 52Impossible-
Epic+29-3225-2848Very Hard+ 56Impossible
Epic++33-3629-3252Impossible- 60Impossible+
Epic+337-4033-3656Impossible   
Epic+441-4437-4060Impossible+   

All things considered, this looks simpler, more regular, cleaner, and much easier to use.  Because the major determinants of ability (ability score, training, and tier) now all have 4-point spreads they align much better with 4-point differences in Difficulty Classes.  I can predict that if something will routinely done by an optimized Heroic character, trained or gifted Heroic characters and optimized Expert characters will usually succeed and normal Heroic characters and optimized Basic characters will often succeed.  I started examining this potential change to the rules today (okay, yesterday now) and it’s already fairly internalized.

Closing Comments

I think I’m about done with this topic.  Even superficial examination of the two sets of tables makes it clear ot me that th eproposed model, using straight level as the Level Bonus instead of using half level will be simpler and easier for me, without costing me anything I care about.  Again, this looks like a good change.

As long as hit points work out (and I’m confident they will, I have run some numbers but haven’t presented them here) and I can come up with a workable spell casting system, I think I will make this change.

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